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FIXTURES
FIXTURES
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Tuesday 30-Oct-12 to Thursday 01-Nov-12 | 09:30 local 04:00 GMT 09:30 IST | 3-Day Warm Up Match | India A vs England XI | Brabourne Stadium, Mumbai |
Match Result | India A Won The Toss & Chose To Bat India A 369 and 124/4; England XI 426 Match drawn | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Saturday 03-Nov-12 to Monday 05-Nov-12 | 09:30 local 04:00 GMT 09:30 IST | 3-Day Warm Up Match | Mumbai A vs England XI | Dr DY Patil Sports Academy, Navi Mumbai |
Match Result | England XI Won The Toss & Chose To Bat England XI 345/9d and 149/2; Mumbai A 286 Match drawn | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Thursday 08-Nov-12 to Sunday 11-Nov-12 | 09:30 local 04:00 GMT 09:30 IST | 4-Day Warm Up Match | Haryana vs England XI | Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel Stadium, Ahmedabad |
Match Result | England XI Won The Toss & Chose To Bat England XI 521 and 254/6d; Haryana 334 and 133/6 Match drawn | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Thursday 15-Nov-12 to Monday 19-Nov-12 | 09:30 local 04:00 GMT 09:30 IST | 1st Test | India vs England | Sardar Patel Stadium, Motera, Ahmedabad |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & Chose To Bat India 521/8d and 80/1; England 191 and 406 (f/o) India won by 9 wickets | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Friday 23-Nov-12 to Tuesday 27-Nov-12 | 09:30 local 04:00 GMT 09:30 IST | 2nd Test | India vs England | Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & Chose To Bat India 327 and 142; England 413 and 58/0 England won by 10 wickets | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Wednesday 05-Dec-12 to Sunday 09-Dec-12 | 09:00 local 03:30 GMT 09:00 IST | 3rd Test | India vs England | Eden Gardens, Kolkata |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & Elected To Bat India 316 and 247; England 523 and 41/3 England won by 7 wickets | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Thursday 13-Dec-12 to Monday 17-Dec-12 | 09:30 local 04:00 GMT 09:30 IST | 4th Test | India vs England | Vidarbha Cricket Association Stadium, Jamtha, Nagpur |
Match Result | England Won The Toss & Elected To Bat England 330 and 352/4d; India 326/9d Match drawn | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Thursday 20-Dec-12 | 19:00 local 13:30 GMT 19:00 IST | 1st T20I | India vs England | Subrata Roy Sahara Stadium, Pune |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & Chose To Field England 157/6 (20/20 ov); India 158/5 (17.5/20 ov) India won by 5 wickets (with 13 balls remaining) | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Saturday 22-Dec-12 | 19:00 local 13:30 GMT 19:00 IST | 2nd T20I | India vs England | Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai |
Match Result | England Won The Toss & Elected To Field India 177/8 (20/20 ov); England 181/4 (20/20 ov) England won by 6 wickets (with 0 balls remaining) | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Sunday 06-Jan-13 | 09:00 local 03:30 GMT 09:00 IST | 1-Day Warm Up Match | India A vs England XI | Palam A Ground, Model Sports Complex, Delhi |
Match Result | England XI Won The Toss & Chose To Field India A 224/4 (39/39 ov); England XI 175 (36/39 ov) India A won by 53 runs (D/L method) | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Tuesday 08-Jan-13 | 12:00 local 06:30 GMT 12:00 IST | 1-Day Warm Up Match | Delhi vs England XI | Feroze Shah Kotla, Delhi |
Match Result | England XI Won The Toss & Chose To Bat England XI 294/5 (50 ov); Delhi 295/4 (48.3 ov) Delhi won by 6 wickets (with 9 balls remaining) | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Friday 11-Jan-13 | 12:00 local 06:30 GMT 12:00 IST | 1st ODI | India vs England | Saurashtra Cricket Association Stadium, Rajkot |
Match Result | England Won The Toss & Chose To Bat England 325/4 (50 ov); India 316/9 (50 ov) England won by 9 runs | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Tuesday 15-Jan-13 | 12:00 local 06:30 GMT 12:00 IST | 2nd ODI | India vs England | Nehru Stadium, Kochi |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & Chose To Bat India 285/6 (50 ov); England 158 (36 ov) India won by 127 runs | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Saturday 19-Jan-13 | 12:00 local 06:30 GMT 12:00 IST | 3rd ODI | India vs England | HEC International Cricket Stadium Complex, Ranchi |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & Chose To Field England 155 (42.2 ov); India 157/3 (28.1 ov) India won by 7 wickets (with 131 balls remaining) | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Wednesday 23-Jan-13 | 12:00 local 06:30 GMT 12:00 IST | 4th ODI | India vs England | Punjab Cricket Association Stadium, Mohali, Chandigarh |
Match Result | India Won The Toss & chose To Field England 257/7 (50 ov); India 258/5 (47.3 ov) India won by 5 wickets (with 15 balls remaining) | |||
DATE | TIME | FORMAT | MATCH | VENUE |
Sunday 27-Jan-13 | 09:00 local 03:30 GMT 09:00 IST | 5th ODI | India vs England | Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association Stadium, Dharamsala |
Match Result | England Won The Toss & Chose To Field India 226 (49.4 ov); England 227/3 (47.2 ov) England won by 7 wickets (with 16 balls remaining) |
SQUADS
INDIA SQUAD
INDIA SQUAD
India A Squad | Mumbai A Squad | India Test Squad (1st 2 Tests Only) | India Test Squad (3rd Test Only) |
Suresh Raina (Capt) Ambati Rayudu M Vijay Abhinav Mukund Manoj Tiwary Robin Bist Ashok Menaria Yuvraj Singh Ajinkya Rahane Wriddhiman Saha (WK) Irfan Pathan Ashok Dinda Vinay Kumar Parvinder Awana | Suryakumar Yadav (Capt) Cheteshwar Pujara Shikhar Dhawan Hiken Shah Bhavin Thakkar Sufiyan Shaikh (WK) Nikhil Patil (Jr) Abhishek Raut Kshemal Waingankar Balwinder Singh Sandhu (Jr) Sagar Gorivale Javed Khan Neelkanth Parab Bravish Shetty Shardul Thakur | MS Dhoni (Capt & WK) Virender Sehwag Gautam Gambhir Sachin Tendulkar Virat Kohli Yuvraj Singh Cheteshwar Pujara R Ashwin Umesh Yadav Pragyan Ojha Ajinkya Rahane Harbhajan Singh Ishant Sharma M Vijay Zaheer Khan Ashok Dinda | MS Dhoni (Capt & WK) Virender Sehwag Gautam Gambhir Sachin Tendulkar Virat Kohli Yuvraj Singh Cheteshwar Pujara R Ashwin Pragyan Ojha Ajinkya Rahane Harbhajan Singh Ishant Sharma M Vijay Zaheer Khan Ashok Dinda |
India Squad (4th Test Only) | India T20I Squad | India A Squad |
MS Dhoni (Capt & WK) Gautam Gambhir Virender Sehwag Sachin Tendulkar Virat Kohli Ravindra Jadeja Cheteshwar Pujara R Ashwin Ashok Dinda Pragyan Ojha Ajinkya Rahane Pyish Chawla Ishant Sharma M Vijay Parwinder Awana | MS Dhoni (Capt & WK) Gautam Gambhir Ajinkya Rahane Virat Kohli Rohit Sharma Suresh Raina Yuvraj Singh R Ashwin Ravindra Jadeja Piyush Chawla Ashok Dinda Bhuvneshwar Kumar Abhimanyu Mithun Parvinder Awana Ambati Rayudu | Abhinav Mukund (Capt) M Vijay Robin Bist Kedar Jadhav Ashok Menaria Rohit Motwani (WK) Jalaj Saxena Akshay Darekar Ishwar Pandey S Sreesanth Rishi Dhawan Paras Dogra Mohit Sharma Parvez Rassol |
Withdrawn Players | ||
1.Manoj Tiwari (due to Back Injury) 2.Laxmipathi Balaji (due to Stress Injury to Right Big Toe) 3.R Vinay Kumar (due to a Strained Right Calf Muscle) |
India ODI Squad | Delhi Squad |
MS Dhoni (Capt) Cheteshwar Pujara Gautam Gambhir Virat Kohli Yuvraj Singh Rohit Sharma Suresh Raina Ravindra Jadeja R Ashwin Ishant Sharma Ajinkya Rahane Ashok Dinda Bhuvneshwar Kumar Shami Ahmed Amit Mishra | Shikhar Dhawan (Capt) Jagrit Anand Parvinder Awana Rajat Bhatia Puneet Bisht (WK) Unmukt Chand Mithun Manhas Milind Kumar Sumit Narwal Pawan Negi Ashish Nehra Vaibhav Rawal Pradeep Sangwan Dhruv Shorey Varun Sood |
England SQUAD
England Test Squad | England T20I Squad | England ODI Squad |
Alastair Cook (Capt) James Anderson Jonny Bairstow Ian Bell Tim Bresnan Stuart Broad Nick Compton Steven Finn Graham Onions Eoin Morgan Monty Panesar Samit Patel Matt Prior (WK) Joe Root Graeme Swann Jonathan Trott Kevin Pietersen Stuart Meaker James Tredwell | Tim Bresnan Danny Briggs Jos Buttler (Wk) Jade Dernbach Alex Hales Michael Lumb Stuart Meaker Eoin Morgan (Capt) Samit Patel James Tredwell Luke Wright James Harris Joe Root | Alastair Cook (Capt) Joe Root Ian Bell Tim Bresnan Danny Briggs Jade Dernbach Steven Finn Craig Kieswetter (WK) Stuart Meaker Eoin Morgan Samit Patel Kevin Pietersen James Tredwell Jonathan Trott Stuart Broad Jos Butler Chris Woakes |
Withdrawn Players | Withdrawn Players | |
1.Stuart Broad (due to Heel Injury) 2.Johny Bairstow (due to Family Reason) | 1.James Anderson (Rested) 2.Jonathan Trott (Rested) 3.Johny Bairstow (due to Family Illness) |
STATS OF ALL INDIA VS ENGLAND SERIES
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Re: Thread for England Tour of India, 2012/13 (2)
TENDULKAR WAS DOWN ON HIS KNEES TODAY AFTER GETTING BOWLED TO ANDERSON
IT HAPPENED AFTER 6.5 YRS
SIMILAR THING HAPPENED IN 2006 SERIES VS PAKISTAN WHEN ASIF BOWLED MASTER AND MASTER WAS DOWN ON HIS KNEES
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When you have seen and known Tendulkar as much I have, the pain within only grow - Harsha Bhogle.
YEAH ITS PAINFUL, I WAS HAVING THE SAME PAIN SEEING LEE AND PONTING PERFORMANCE AND I WAS WISHING IN MY MIND, PLEASE RETIRE, BUT HEART SAID, KEEP PLAYING
YEAH ITS PAINFUL, I WAS HAVING THE SAME PAIN SEEING LEE AND PONTING PERFORMANCE AND I WAS WISHING IN MY MIND, PLEASE RETIRE, BUT HEART SAID, KEEP PLAYING
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James Anderson today dismissed India great Sachin Tendulkar for the ninth time in Tests, breaking Muttiah Muralitharan's record total.
Here, Sportsmail looks back over Anderson's successes against the 'Little Master'.
March 19, 2006, Mumbai
A rare false shot from Tendulkar gifted Anderson his wicket for the first time. Having made only one, the batsman drove loosely outside off stump and the ball took the toe of his bat and went through to wicketkeeper Geraint Jones.
DISMISSAL ONE
July 20, 2007, Lord's
Umpire Steve Bucknor adjudged Anderson's full inswinger, which hit Tendulkar on the pad as he looked to drive through the leg side, would have clipped leg stump and sent him on his way lbw for 37.
DISMISSAL TWO
August 10 & 12, 2007, The Oval
Anderson established his dominance over Tendulkar by taking his wicket in each innings, first via a regulation edge to Andrew Strauss at slip when on 82 and then bowled off the inside edge for one second time around.
DISMISSAL THREE
DISMISSAL FOUR
Here, Sportsmail looks back over Anderson's successes against the 'Little Master'.
March 19, 2006, Mumbai
A rare false shot from Tendulkar gifted Anderson his wicket for the first time. Having made only one, the batsman drove loosely outside off stump and the ball took the toe of his bat and went through to wicketkeeper Geraint Jones.
DISMISSAL ONE
July 20, 2007, Lord's
Umpire Steve Bucknor adjudged Anderson's full inswinger, which hit Tendulkar on the pad as he looked to drive through the leg side, would have clipped leg stump and sent him on his way lbw for 37.
DISMISSAL TWO
August 10 & 12, 2007, The Oval
Anderson established his dominance over Tendulkar by taking his wicket in each innings, first via a regulation edge to Andrew Strauss at slip when on 82 and then bowled off the inside edge for one second time around.
DISMISSAL THREE
DISMISSAL FOUR
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December 22, 2008, Mohali
Another loose edge saw Tendulkar depart for five, with Graeme Swann at gully the catcher on this occasion.
DISMISSAL FIVE
July 25, 2011, Lord's
Tendulkar's likely last innings at Lord's brought him just 12 runs before Anderson nipped one past his inside edge to dismiss him lbw.
DISMISSAL SIX
July 29, 2011, Trent Bridge
In the second Test of the same series, Tendulkar managed 56 in a forlorn fourth-innings chase before shouldering arms to a big inswinger which trapped him leg before once again.
DISMISSAL SEVEN
December 5, 2012, Kolkata
Tendulkar made 76 before an excellent outswinger from Anderson caught his outside edge and was held by a tumbling Matt Prior behind the stumps.
DISMISSAL EIGHT
December 14, 2012 Nagpur
Tendulkar made just two before Anderson got one to nip back off the seam, deflect off a thin inside edge and on to middle stump.
DISMISSAL NINE
Another loose edge saw Tendulkar depart for five, with Graeme Swann at gully the catcher on this occasion.
DISMISSAL FIVE
July 25, 2011, Lord's
Tendulkar's likely last innings at Lord's brought him just 12 runs before Anderson nipped one past his inside edge to dismiss him lbw.
DISMISSAL SIX
July 29, 2011, Trent Bridge
In the second Test of the same series, Tendulkar managed 56 in a forlorn fourth-innings chase before shouldering arms to a big inswinger which trapped him leg before once again.
DISMISSAL SEVEN
December 5, 2012, Kolkata
Tendulkar made 76 before an excellent outswinger from Anderson caught his outside edge and was held by a tumbling Matt Prior behind the stumps.
DISMISSAL EIGHT
December 14, 2012 Nagpur
Tendulkar made just two before Anderson got one to nip back off the seam, deflect off a thin inside edge and on to middle stump.
DISMISSAL NINE
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A look at why Panesar and Swann outbowled Ojha and Ashwim
There were times in India when
the sight of a spinner running in
to the crease was intimidating
for the batsman. The close-in
fielders hovered, standing by to
take the catches that would
inevitably be produced. Back
then Indian spinners sent out
strong signals - that they were as
lethal as the Caribbean quick
bowlers, and no second fiddles.
Invariably India's spinners were
superior to those from other
countries, and the land of Bedi,
Chandrashekhar and Prasanna
kept producing quality spinners,
so much so that some of them
didn't even play for India - for
these three kept going for years.
Today, though, even on wilting,
dusty turners, Indian spinners
don't hold the same threat. For
the longest time, dishing out a
dustbowl guaranteed success,
for India's batsmen would score
a mountain of runs and the
spinners would bowl the
opposition out twice, double
quick. But since the retirement of
Anil Kumble, things have
changed.
The signs of the downward
spiral have been there for
everyone to see. The lowest ebb
has been reached in the ongoing
series against England - probably
the first time in Indian cricket's
history that a visiting team from
outside the subcontinent has
had the services of better
spinners, and the decision to
dish out a rank turner has been
more likely to backfire on India
than guarantee success - as
happened in Mumbai.
Why is it that Monty Panesar and
Graeme Swann are extracting a
lot more out of the tracks than
their Indian counterparts?
(Remember also that they're
bowling against a batting line-up
that is known for its proficiency
against the turning ball.)
Panesar has been the most
impressive bowler in the series,
operating at a pace ideally suited
to the tracks provided thus far.
He bowls at least 10kph quicker
than is usually recommended for
spinners. While that extra pace
goes against him on good
batting surfaces - because he
doesn't keep the ball in the air
long enough to create deception
- it's working absolutely fine on
slow Indian pitches. The extra
pace in the air doesn't allow the
batsman the luxury of stepping
out or of waiting on the back
foot. It is this extra pace that
made Panesar unplayable at
times in Mumbai, because
handling a viciously turning ball
at high speeds is extremely
difficult.
If it was only about the pace,
then why didn't India's spinners
crack the code and bowl quicker
too? After all, how difficult could
it be to increase your pace as a
spinner?
That's where the basics are
important, for speed can work in
your favour only if the ball comes
out of the hand properly, with
enough revolutions on it. That's
precisely where Panesar has
scored over Pragyan Ojha.
Panesar's action is that of a
classical left-arm spinner, with
the bowling arm very close to the
ear, which enables him to not
only get the wrist position
slightly tilted (about 45 degrees)
at the point of release but also to
extract more bounce off the
surface with the higher point of
release.
He delivers from the middle of
the box, which allows him to
bowl a lot straighter. Bowling
closer to the stumps makes his
arm ball a lot more effective, for it
is always pitching and finishing
in line with the stumps. Also, his
follow-through takes him
towards the batsman, which
means the body momentum is
heading in the direction of the
ball; that translates into him
getting a fair bit of zip off the
surface.
In contrast, Ojha releases the ball
from the corner of the box, and
his bowling arm is further away
from the ear than in Panesar's
case. Ojha's position on the
crease creates an acute angle,
which might give a false
impression of the ball drifting in.
It also means he needs a lot of
assistance from the pitch to
generate spin off the surface to
compensate for that angle. His
wrist position is slightly more
tilted than Panesar's at the point
of release, which negatively
affects not just bounce off the
surface but also his chances of
turning the ball. Finally, there's no
follow-through whatsoever: Ojha
stops as soon as he delivers the
ball, which indicates that his
bowling is a lot about wrist and
shoulder instead of being about
hips and torso as well.
Swann is technically superior to R
Ashwin too. His bowling is all
about using every limb to impart
more revolutions on the ball.
Since he plays most of his cricket
on unresponsive English pitches,
he has learnt the importance of
putting revs on the ball every
single time, which creates
deception in the air by making
the ball dip on the batsman, and
also produces bite off the
surface.
In Test cricket there needs to
be a stock ball that one should
bowl, ball after ball. You need
to create deception in the air
by varying the lines and speeds
ever so slightly
Swann doesn't have too many
variations; in fact he has got only
two deliveries - the one that
spins in to the right-hander and
the arm ball that goes straight
on. Having fewer variations has
led him to become more patient,
and made him rely on changing
the point of release, speed and
flight without compromising on
length. He has struck a fine
balance between being
aggressive and being patient.
His lines of operation to right-
handed batsmen are slightly
outside off, challenging the
batsman to play against the spin.
Against the left-handers, he
bowls a lot closer, cramping
them for room. Like with
Panesar, Swann's body
momentum too takes him
towards the batsman.
Ashwin, on the other hand, has a
lot of tricks in his bag. He can
bowl the traditional offspinner, a
doosra and a carrom ball at will,
and with a reasonable amount of
control. His high-arm action gets
him bounce off the surface too.
But while having so many
options works wonders in the
shorter formats, where the
batsmen can't line him up, it
works against him in Test cricket.
Wickets in Test matches are a
result of setting up a dismissal,
and for that you need to be
patient, almost bordering on
being boring and predictable.
There needs to be a stock ball
that one should bowl, ball after
ball. You need to create
deception in the air by varying
the lines and speeds ever so
slightly. The longer you keep the
batsman occupied with one kind
of delivery, the better your
chances of the variation catching
him off guard. Ashwin, with all
the weapons in his armoury,
feels obliged to bring them out at
regular intervals. This hampers
his consistency with line and
length, and results in him
offering up boundary balls often.
Technically, while his wrist and
arm position are good, like Ojha
he too doesn't put his body
behind the ball as much as he
should; he falls towards the left
after delivering the ball, instead
of taking the momentum
towards the batsman.
The quality of India's spinners
was one of the reasons the team
became a force to reckon with in
Test cricket. The remarkable
records at home were all
courtesy spin. India may have
had a pantheon of quality
spinners but the current crop
does not seem to have been able
to master the craft. There are
plenty of former players around
who were masters of the skill.
Time India got these veterans to
guide the youngsters on how to
spin a web around teams again.
the sight of a spinner running in
to the crease was intimidating
for the batsman. The close-in
fielders hovered, standing by to
take the catches that would
inevitably be produced. Back
then Indian spinners sent out
strong signals - that they were as
lethal as the Caribbean quick
bowlers, and no second fiddles.
Invariably India's spinners were
superior to those from other
countries, and the land of Bedi,
Chandrashekhar and Prasanna
kept producing quality spinners,
so much so that some of them
didn't even play for India - for
these three kept going for years.
Today, though, even on wilting,
dusty turners, Indian spinners
don't hold the same threat. For
the longest time, dishing out a
dustbowl guaranteed success,
for India's batsmen would score
a mountain of runs and the
spinners would bowl the
opposition out twice, double
quick. But since the retirement of
Anil Kumble, things have
changed.
The signs of the downward
spiral have been there for
everyone to see. The lowest ebb
has been reached in the ongoing
series against England - probably
the first time in Indian cricket's
history that a visiting team from
outside the subcontinent has
had the services of better
spinners, and the decision to
dish out a rank turner has been
more likely to backfire on India
than guarantee success - as
happened in Mumbai.
Why is it that Monty Panesar and
Graeme Swann are extracting a
lot more out of the tracks than
their Indian counterparts?
(Remember also that they're
bowling against a batting line-up
that is known for its proficiency
against the turning ball.)
Panesar has been the most
impressive bowler in the series,
operating at a pace ideally suited
to the tracks provided thus far.
He bowls at least 10kph quicker
than is usually recommended for
spinners. While that extra pace
goes against him on good
batting surfaces - because he
doesn't keep the ball in the air
long enough to create deception
- it's working absolutely fine on
slow Indian pitches. The extra
pace in the air doesn't allow the
batsman the luxury of stepping
out or of waiting on the back
foot. It is this extra pace that
made Panesar unplayable at
times in Mumbai, because
handling a viciously turning ball
at high speeds is extremely
difficult.
If it was only about the pace,
then why didn't India's spinners
crack the code and bowl quicker
too? After all, how difficult could
it be to increase your pace as a
spinner?
That's where the basics are
important, for speed can work in
your favour only if the ball comes
out of the hand properly, with
enough revolutions on it. That's
precisely where Panesar has
scored over Pragyan Ojha.
Panesar's action is that of a
classical left-arm spinner, with
the bowling arm very close to the
ear, which enables him to not
only get the wrist position
slightly tilted (about 45 degrees)
at the point of release but also to
extract more bounce off the
surface with the higher point of
release.
He delivers from the middle of
the box, which allows him to
bowl a lot straighter. Bowling
closer to the stumps makes his
arm ball a lot more effective, for it
is always pitching and finishing
in line with the stumps. Also, his
follow-through takes him
towards the batsman, which
means the body momentum is
heading in the direction of the
ball; that translates into him
getting a fair bit of zip off the
surface.
In contrast, Ojha releases the ball
from the corner of the box, and
his bowling arm is further away
from the ear than in Panesar's
case. Ojha's position on the
crease creates an acute angle,
which might give a false
impression of the ball drifting in.
It also means he needs a lot of
assistance from the pitch to
generate spin off the surface to
compensate for that angle. His
wrist position is slightly more
tilted than Panesar's at the point
of release, which negatively
affects not just bounce off the
surface but also his chances of
turning the ball. Finally, there's no
follow-through whatsoever: Ojha
stops as soon as he delivers the
ball, which indicates that his
bowling is a lot about wrist and
shoulder instead of being about
hips and torso as well.
Swann is technically superior to R
Ashwin too. His bowling is all
about using every limb to impart
more revolutions on the ball.
Since he plays most of his cricket
on unresponsive English pitches,
he has learnt the importance of
putting revs on the ball every
single time, which creates
deception in the air by making
the ball dip on the batsman, and
also produces bite off the
surface.
In Test cricket there needs to
be a stock ball that one should
bowl, ball after ball. You need
to create deception in the air
by varying the lines and speeds
ever so slightly
Swann doesn't have too many
variations; in fact he has got only
two deliveries - the one that
spins in to the right-hander and
the arm ball that goes straight
on. Having fewer variations has
led him to become more patient,
and made him rely on changing
the point of release, speed and
flight without compromising on
length. He has struck a fine
balance between being
aggressive and being patient.
His lines of operation to right-
handed batsmen are slightly
outside off, challenging the
batsman to play against the spin.
Against the left-handers, he
bowls a lot closer, cramping
them for room. Like with
Panesar, Swann's body
momentum too takes him
towards the batsman.
Ashwin, on the other hand, has a
lot of tricks in his bag. He can
bowl the traditional offspinner, a
doosra and a carrom ball at will,
and with a reasonable amount of
control. His high-arm action gets
him bounce off the surface too.
But while having so many
options works wonders in the
shorter formats, where the
batsmen can't line him up, it
works against him in Test cricket.
Wickets in Test matches are a
result of setting up a dismissal,
and for that you need to be
patient, almost bordering on
being boring and predictable.
There needs to be a stock ball
that one should bowl, ball after
ball. You need to create
deception in the air by varying
the lines and speeds ever so
slightly. The longer you keep the
batsman occupied with one kind
of delivery, the better your
chances of the variation catching
him off guard. Ashwin, with all
the weapons in his armoury,
feels obliged to bring them out at
regular intervals. This hampers
his consistency with line and
length, and results in him
offering up boundary balls often.
Technically, while his wrist and
arm position are good, like Ojha
he too doesn't put his body
behind the ball as much as he
should; he falls towards the left
after delivering the ball, instead
of taking the momentum
towards the batsman.
The quality of India's spinners
was one of the reasons the team
became a force to reckon with in
Test cricket. The remarkable
records at home were all
courtesy spin. India may have
had a pantheon of quality
spinners but the current crop
does not seem to have been able
to master the craft. There are
plenty of former players around
who were masters of the skill.
Time India got these veterans to
guide the youngsters on how to
spin a web around teams again.
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This article written by Akash Chopra.
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A look at why Panesar and Swann outbowled Ojha, Ashwin,Harbhajan and Chawla
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U cn't add chawla as he played only a inning and did ball well
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England 330
India 220/4 (96.6 ov)
India trail by 110 runs with 6 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
dhoni 74*
kohli 71*
India 220/4 (96.6 ov)
India trail by 110 runs with 6 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
dhoni 74*
kohli 71*
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they are having fluid jst before tea break lol
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shammy sam wrote:they are having fluid jst before tea break lol
as i said yesterday, whenever dhoni promotes himself in batting, he bats well
england likely to loose this match, they will collapse in 2nd innings
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YOU GOT TO ADMIRE THIS ARTICLE WRITTEN ON RAHANE - SIMPLY OUTSTANDING
HEADING :-
Hello, Rahane here, anyone listening?
My first-class average is 63.35. I have travelled a lot with the Indian team. When openers fail, I am not picked; when middle order fails, I am still not picked. I wonder if I am good enough for this beast called Test cricket
Hello. My name is Ajinkya Rahane. I made my first-class debut as an opener in September 2007, in the Mohammad Nissar Trophy, which used to be played between Ranji champions and Quaid-e-Azam champions. I scored 143 in that match. In the coming season, Wasim Jaffer was dropped from the Test side, and he came back to Mumbai as an opener. So I moved down to No. 3. I might have scored a duck in my first first-class innings as a No. 3, but I ended that domestic season with an average of 56.50.
Since then, if you take out one disappointing tour of the West Indies, with the India A side, I have never averaged below 56.85 in any first-class season. My overall first-class average is 63.35, and only 37.34 in List A. Accordingly, I was picked for the side that the touring Australians played against before the Tests in 2010-11. I was only 22 then. I scored a century in that first-class game, but lost out to Cheteshwar Pujara as replacement for Sourav Ganguly, who, too, had been scoring heavily in domestic cricket.
I went back to Ranji and kept scoring runs, batting anywhere in the top three. I thought that gave me a better chance of making it to the Test side, because I could now play both as an opener and in the middle order. I was prepared to wait. After all we had three greats in the middle order and two settled openers. Then I saw the openers take rest. I saw the replacements fail. I saw the original openers come back and fail. My chance, though, came in ODIs, despite my averages in domestic cricket suggesting my stronger suit was not the limited-overs game.
I was not one to complain. I made the most of my ODI debut, which came thanks to a glut of injuries to first-choice players. I made decent runs in that ODI series. Some even said I was one of the few bright spots on a tour of England where we lost practically everything. Now the middle order was failing too. I knew my chance in Tests couldn't be that far away. Pujara was injured, Suresh Raina had failed. For the home Tests against West Indies that season, India went back to Virat Kohli. He is a serious batsman, and I didn't see anything wrong in giving him more chances.
Then came the tour of Australia, and I and my team-mate from Mumbai, Rohit Sharma, were both on that plane. He was a back-up middle-order batsman, I could fit in anywhere in the order should the need arise. We had both travelled a bit with the squad without getting our debuts. He too had a much better first-class average than List A, but had been persisted with only in limited-overs cricket.
Still we were excited to come to Australia. It soon turned sour. Throughout the tour we saw the openers and the middle order fail with remarkable consistency - except for Kohli - but we never got our chance. Sometimes, especially a day before the Test, we would go to a corner in the nets, and give each other throwdowns. I can't reveal here what the team's reasons for persisting with failing batsmen were, but I read in some newspapers and websites that the selectors were wondering just the same. The captain and coach, though, reportedly said they were waiting for the selectors to make the tough calls.
Anyway, the tour got over, I came back to India, and scored a hundred in IPL, which surprisingly made far more people ask why I was not being picked. I wished I had known earlier that it was so easy. Either side of that IPL, two of the greatest Indian batsmen ever - Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman - retired.
Two places opened. Rohit Sharma and Ajinkya Rahane in, right? Wrong. Rohit was dropped for his poor run in the one-day game, which, at least statistically, is not his preferred format. Me, I lost out to Raina, who was now getting a third bite at the cherry. He failed again. The other place went to Pujara, who had recovered from his injury. He duly claimed it.
Still, there were eight home Tests remaining. Raina had failed, and I was expecting a debut against England in Ahmedabad. Enter Yuvraj Singh, who had recovered from his illness and had scored a double-century in Duleep Trophy. As soon as he was named in the squad, I was sure I won't play the first Test. He is a left-arm spinner too, and they say Kevin Pietersen is suspect against them.
Now a new season began with me not knowing where and for whom I will be playing. One day I am playing for India A against the touring Englishmen, the next I am playing Ranji Trophy for Mumbai, and in the next week I am carrying drinks for India. The Indian batting meanwhile keeps failing after the aberration in Ahmedabad. Calls for change are big as India trail 2-1. Now even Yuvraj has failed and has been dropped.
Surely now I will play in Nagpur? I had another think coming. Ravindra Jadeja has scored two triple-centuries in Ranji Trophy, which I can't do because I don't even know when I will be released to play Ranji and when I will be asked to be the 12th man. Jadeja bowls left-arm spin too. I am confused, though. When openers fail, I am not picked; when middle order fails, I am still not picked. I wonder if I am good enough for this beast called Test cricket.
Okay, I think, triple-centuries are not a joke. Let's see how Jadeja does. As a bowler he is steady, but India have three other specialist spinners in the side. On day two, Indian batting fails again. They are 71 for 4. Now that's a debut, I think. But enter the captain at No. 6. Oh well.
HEADING :-
Hello, Rahane here, anyone listening?
My first-class average is 63.35. I have travelled a lot with the Indian team. When openers fail, I am not picked; when middle order fails, I am still not picked. I wonder if I am good enough for this beast called Test cricket
Hello. My name is Ajinkya Rahane. I made my first-class debut as an opener in September 2007, in the Mohammad Nissar Trophy, which used to be played between Ranji champions and Quaid-e-Azam champions. I scored 143 in that match. In the coming season, Wasim Jaffer was dropped from the Test side, and he came back to Mumbai as an opener. So I moved down to No. 3. I might have scored a duck in my first first-class innings as a No. 3, but I ended that domestic season with an average of 56.50.
Since then, if you take out one disappointing tour of the West Indies, with the India A side, I have never averaged below 56.85 in any first-class season. My overall first-class average is 63.35, and only 37.34 in List A. Accordingly, I was picked for the side that the touring Australians played against before the Tests in 2010-11. I was only 22 then. I scored a century in that first-class game, but lost out to Cheteshwar Pujara as replacement for Sourav Ganguly, who, too, had been scoring heavily in domestic cricket.
I went back to Ranji and kept scoring runs, batting anywhere in the top three. I thought that gave me a better chance of making it to the Test side, because I could now play both as an opener and in the middle order. I was prepared to wait. After all we had three greats in the middle order and two settled openers. Then I saw the openers take rest. I saw the replacements fail. I saw the original openers come back and fail. My chance, though, came in ODIs, despite my averages in domestic cricket suggesting my stronger suit was not the limited-overs game.
I was not one to complain. I made the most of my ODI debut, which came thanks to a glut of injuries to first-choice players. I made decent runs in that ODI series. Some even said I was one of the few bright spots on a tour of England where we lost practically everything. Now the middle order was failing too. I knew my chance in Tests couldn't be that far away. Pujara was injured, Suresh Raina had failed. For the home Tests against West Indies that season, India went back to Virat Kohli. He is a serious batsman, and I didn't see anything wrong in giving him more chances.
Then came the tour of Australia, and I and my team-mate from Mumbai, Rohit Sharma, were both on that plane. He was a back-up middle-order batsman, I could fit in anywhere in the order should the need arise. We had both travelled a bit with the squad without getting our debuts. He too had a much better first-class average than List A, but had been persisted with only in limited-overs cricket.
Still we were excited to come to Australia. It soon turned sour. Throughout the tour we saw the openers and the middle order fail with remarkable consistency - except for Kohli - but we never got our chance. Sometimes, especially a day before the Test, we would go to a corner in the nets, and give each other throwdowns. I can't reveal here what the team's reasons for persisting with failing batsmen were, but I read in some newspapers and websites that the selectors were wondering just the same. The captain and coach, though, reportedly said they were waiting for the selectors to make the tough calls.
Anyway, the tour got over, I came back to India, and scored a hundred in IPL, which surprisingly made far more people ask why I was not being picked. I wished I had known earlier that it was so easy. Either side of that IPL, two of the greatest Indian batsmen ever - Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman - retired.
Two places opened. Rohit Sharma and Ajinkya Rahane in, right? Wrong. Rohit was dropped for his poor run in the one-day game, which, at least statistically, is not his preferred format. Me, I lost out to Raina, who was now getting a third bite at the cherry. He failed again. The other place went to Pujara, who had recovered from his injury. He duly claimed it.
Still, there were eight home Tests remaining. Raina had failed, and I was expecting a debut against England in Ahmedabad. Enter Yuvraj Singh, who had recovered from his illness and had scored a double-century in Duleep Trophy. As soon as he was named in the squad, I was sure I won't play the first Test. He is a left-arm spinner too, and they say Kevin Pietersen is suspect against them.
Now a new season began with me not knowing where and for whom I will be playing. One day I am playing for India A against the touring Englishmen, the next I am playing Ranji Trophy for Mumbai, and in the next week I am carrying drinks for India. The Indian batting meanwhile keeps failing after the aberration in Ahmedabad. Calls for change are big as India trail 2-1. Now even Yuvraj has failed and has been dropped.
Surely now I will play in Nagpur? I had another think coming. Ravindra Jadeja has scored two triple-centuries in Ranji Trophy, which I can't do because I don't even know when I will be released to play Ranji and when I will be asked to be the 12th man. Jadeja bowls left-arm spin too. I am confused, though. When openers fail, I am not picked; when middle order fails, I am still not picked. I wonder if I am good enough for this beast called Test cricket.
Okay, I think, triple-centuries are not a joke. Let's see how Jadeja does. As a bowler he is steady, but India have three other specialist spinners in the side. On day two, Indian batting fails again. They are 71 for 4. Now that's a debut, I think. But enter the captain at No. 6. Oh well.
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MATCH RESUMES AFTER TEA
England 330
India 232/4 (102.3 ov)
India trail by 98 runs with 6 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
THIS MATCH GOING INDIA'S WAY NOW SURELY
England 330
India 232/4 (102.3 ov)
India trail by 98 runs with 6 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
THIS MATCH GOING INDIA'S WAY NOW SURELY
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most awesome article on rahane
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Kohli gone !!!
Played good knock of 103
Played good knock of 103
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Re: Thread for England Tour of India, 2012/13 (2)
*Sir Ravindra JadejaIshaq wrote:Jadeja In now
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Dhoni out on 99(246)
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